Personal Finance Megathread

This is intended to be a thread to discuss personal finance not directly related to Pokemon.

That can include sharing tips on personal finance, asking questions, discussing current events related to personal finance, or sharing resources or articles you find helpful or interesting. Or anything else relevant to the topic!

It’s not recommended to share personal information.

Thought I’d start the thread off with a helpful topic, the "Financial Order Operations:. Please note that this is from a US lens, would be great to hear about anything similar from other places in the world.

The Financial Order of Operations is intended to help make the decision of what to do with your next dollar, outside of buying more cardboard of course. The concept here is to maximize your tax benefits, minimize debt payments, and help you grow your money to reach financial independence.

Here’s an infographic from The Money Guy show, which I enjoy watching/listening to on Youtube.

The first step is covering your insurance deductibles. If something goes wrong for your house, health, car, or pet, having that saved up is important to reduce the chances of putting yourself into debt.

Second is to take advantage of your employer’s retirement account match, if one is offered. An employer match is a 50% or 100% return on your money, or something a little different, based on what your employer offers. And that money will grow over time!

Third is paying off high interest debt. These are debts like credit cards, or potentially high interest car loans, student loans, or other loans. Something like a mortgage is not considered a high interest debt.

Next is to set up your financial reserves. AKA an emergency fund. Most people will have an emergency fund of 1-6 months of your expenses, some people like to have 12 months if they’re more conservative, or older with limited income. Necessary steps here are to analyze your spending to identify your monthly expenses, and then figure out how many months you want to have saved up. If your expenses are pretty stable, your household income is pretty stable, and you don’t have much debt, you can probably be on the shorter end of things. If you have a variable income, or just prefer to have more cash on hand, you can lean to the longer end of things.

Next are Roth and HSA contributions. A Roth contribution is different from a Traditional contribution in that you pay taxes on contributions now, and will be able to withdraw them tax free in the future, assuming you meet withdrawal requirements. An HSA is a health spending account, which some employers offer, and is considered a high deductible health plan (HDHP). Contributions to an HSA are tax free going in, grow tax free if invested, and are tax free to withdraw as long as the fund are used for healthcare expenses.

Step 6 is to max out retirement accounts. This includes IRAs, 401ks, 403bs, and 457 plans. These are all tax advantaged accounts, but have limitations of when you can withdraw the money. There are limitations to how much can be contributed to these different accounts based on factors like annual income, and if you are married or single.

Step 7 is hyperaccumulation, or investing a large % of your income. The Money Guys define this as 25% or more of your income. This may occur within your work sponsored retirement accounts, or could occur in outside investment accounts as well.

Next step is pre-paid future expenses. If you have or want kids, this could include a college fund, This step is optional for some if they don’t have future expenses outside of retirement they want to save up for.

Last step is low interest debt, typically including mortgages. This could also include student loans depending on your age and your interest rates.

I hope this thread can be a place where we can discuss personal finance to help all of us better our financial situations to reduce stress and increase the amount we can spend on cardboard without that guilty feeling. This is a topic I’m passionate about, and love talking about!

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You absolute madman, you did it! I’ll come back later to read through in detail and comment but good job

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Looking at this post with 98% of my net worth invested into childrens anime trading cards

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Don’t collect Pokémon cards. Thank you for coming to my Ted Talk, I have to open some $60 packs to pull $1 worth of cards and not regret it a single second now /thread

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I like the Money Guy show. Pokemon is the bane of a written budget in my household :((((((((((((

The 25% contribution rate is great for us mostly younger folks.

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In addition to money guys, I recommend How to Money, Talking Real Money, and Money with Katie. Between the four shows that’s a LOT of content but each of them has great advice and approaches things slightly differently

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As long as you aren’t listening to Dave Ramsey, you are doing well.

Per Dave:

  • Pay off the debt of the lowest amount, regardless of interest rate (terrible advice)
  • Don’t take an interest free loan
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As a recovering Dave Ramsey listener from years ago, I will say his advice is good for people that literally cannot help themselves getting out of debt. But everything else is terrible. Bad investment advice, lots of incorrect tax advice, etc…

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The only thing I’ll ever give credit to Dave Ramsey for is his budgeting app (EveryDollar). Super simple and really helps me keep my monthly finances in order. Please do not buy the premium edition though, the free version is plenty good.

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Yep, Dave is not good for people that are in a good financial standing, I think he a valuable resource for people needing to recover from deep debts. His philosophies helped my parents climb out a massive hole

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I will happily pay for ynab before I touch every dollar, free or paid

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Gotta be like 10% of people haha

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I would be curious what the numbers actually are.

  • people who are drowning in debt
  • people living paycheck to paycheck but above water
  • people who fill all their retirement buckets
  1. How exactly is that terrible advice?
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A car loan of $1,000 at 2% interest and a mortgage of $100,000 at 7%.
Per Dave, you should pay off the car loan first because it is a lower amount of debt. But that $1,000 would go much further if putting towards the mortgage.

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That’s because the reasoning isn’t financially based, it’s based on helping you get a mental and emotional win If you legitimately are in a financial hole and unable to help yourself, getting every small win you can will help build momentum and help you (and your spouse) buy into the process. Financial reasoning doesn’t matter to someone without financial literacy.

I’ll go out in a limb and say I’d be willing to bet (pun intended) a large portion of Pokemon collectors find themselves in pretty terrible financial situations, if for no other reason because that is representative of the overall status of the public (at least in the United States). People in general have awful financial literacy.

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Actually, you would pay off the car loan per Dave’s baby steps because you s/b debt free except the mortgage.

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Personal finance is truly what works best for you. I know people who are completely content having a mortgage their entire lives. I know others, like myself, who want no debt, and to minimize risk as much as possible. Then again, I’ve made most of my money selling trading cards, which is more to the point; there is no one answer that works for everyone. There are definitely boundaries for better outcomes, but its really a balance between personal comfort and solvency.

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