If a seller describe a pack as heavy and it does not contain a holo, can you ask for a refund or start a case ?
If you buy it and weigh it the weight should be as described. Holo isn’t really guaranteed, just very likely
Would only not be as described if the weight was different than advertised
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@fazool,I just bought a first ed (21.41g) fossil pack, if the weight is as described should I open it ?
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21.4 is heavy, whether you open it or not is entirely your prerogative lol
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I wouldn’t be comfortable advising without knowing the average weight of the light packs from that booster box. Sometimes the seller provided that
I would say to make sure to weigh it yourself and confirm the sellers wright description
No, because a heavy pack does not guarantee a holo, and I would make sure to state this in the description when selling any heavy packs. I would also make sure to post a photo of the pack on a scale showing the weight.
Did the seller post a photo of the pack on a scale showing the weight, and did you verify the weight with a scale of your own before tearing into the pack?
And just an FYI, doing this type of thing as a buyer is a very easy way to get yourself on everyone’s block list on this forum.
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Nope. I recently bought an EX Dragon pack advertised as heavy (along with the weight). And it didn’t contain a holo. But the weight was accurate so it’s not the seller’s fault (although people should probably be a bit more cautious about labeling loose packs as heavy).
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@mjs61290,No I’ll do it when I receive it and yes he showed everything, thanks for your advice
I don’t personally own packs or deal with this type of thing, but please remember that the sellers scale and your scale are most likely not scientific scales with amazing precision. When you receive a pack and weight it you may see a number that’s off by a few hundreths or a tenth of an ounce from the advertised weight and in my mind that should be expected.
i had fossil packs that weighed 21.5 and were light. nothing in life is a guarantee. you pay a premium for a better shot at a holo. yes, you can open a case and probably win on ebay, however as a buyer, this risk should be your own.
if the seller sends a completely different pack (one that weighs significantly less), then absolutely a case should be opened.
if you get the pack as shown/described and end up pulling a non holo, that should be on you. just my thoughts
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Agreed. Besides scale precision issues, there’s also the fact that the gravitational acceleration of the Earth is not uniform across its surface.
For example, a pack that weighs 21.2g in Mexico City would weigh 21.3g in Fairbanks, Alaska.
It might not seem like a big difference, but if the numerical weight of a pack is on the borderline between light and heavy ranges, the geographical location of the seller could actually be an important factor. Generally speaking, closer to the equator and higher in altitude yields lower pack weights. In contrast, packs weigh more when closer to the poles and closer to sea level.
So anyway, for these and other reasons mentioned, it’s best to not fault the seller. As long as the pack weight is reasonably close to their descrption, and they don’t say “guaranted holo!” then you should give them benefit of the doubt if the pack turns out to not contain a holo.
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Sounds like a seller near the Dead Sea is making the most money
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@squirtle1000,damn you just made me learn something lol, then lets say the pack comes from Australia and weight 21.41, how much would it weigh in Canada aprox ?
So you’re saying I should open my packs at sea level? hmmmm…
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Depends where it’s weight in Australia and where it’s weighed in Canada.
It’s about distance to Earths core, not longitute and latitude as much
For example, a pack that weighs 21.2g in Mexico City would weigh 21.3g in Fairbanks, Alaska.
This explains why my drug dealer gives me 0.85g when I buy 1 gram … he must be weighing up on the other side of the globe. For all these years I thought he was being tight
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My main question would be, if I posted a photo of a pack on a scale, and it showed up as 20.95, and then the buyer gets it and it comes in within .1 grams on their machine but does not read the same, does that give them the ability to easily win a case against me?
I don’t think I’d sell packs that way on eBay for expressly that reason. My biggest fear is someone opening the packs, swapping out cards and then sending em back. I’d much rather just sell in person or through other mediums.
If you just state “heavy” or “light” without the weight being pictured, then the buyer will have a much harder time proving their case of what is “heavy” or “light”. They’re subjective terms and I’d like to believe that eBay would have no basis for resolving that issue.
Distance from the core matters, but latitude does too. That’s because the rotation of the earth partially offsets gravity. If you are near the equator, then you experience the most centrifugal forces from the spinning earth, whereas if you are near the poles there is hardly any. Also, the Earth isn’t a perfect sphere (it’s flattened a bit near the poles) so that messes with the calculations, too.
That’s why I chose Mexico City in my example. It’s at high altitude (further from the core), and it’s relatively close to the equator (higher centrifugal forces). Both factors lead to lighter pack weights there.
Regarding Canada vs. Australia, it’s too general of a question because both are big countries with big variations in elevation. You’ve have to pick two specific cities and look up the effective gravitational acceleration in each.
If you buy a “light” pack and it contains a Holo, would you send the seller a check?
Edit: I do respect that you’d ask the question here though:)
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I think we have just reached the next step in pack weighing, you must also now provide the effective gravitational acceleration of the location you were in with a pretty near measurement of how far you were from the earths core when you weighed the packs, should deter some newbs and bring back the good times.
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