Hi, everyone.
I’m currently in negotiation for a supposed confirmed shadowless booster box. (Completely aware of all the potential for scams)
Would like some opinions regarding its value. eBay doesn’t have any legitimate sales in its current history. Assuming everything is legitimate, what’re your opinions?
BTW, the box’s condition is about 8/10.
Thanks!
Make sure you read through this thread: www.elitefourum.com/t/identifying-shadowless-unlimited-base-set-boxes-packs/16993/1
Basically, the only base set boxes that you can almost assuredly confirm are shadowless have the following characteristics:
* Not 100% on this, as far as whether there is such a thing as a logo-ed box w/ confirmed shadowless art, long-crimp packs
The one exception to this would be if the seller had a case, had opened a box and confirmed the cards were shadowless. This is highly unlikely though, and you’d be taking the seller at his word.
Best bet would be to put all the information you’ve received from the seller here so that the shadowless experts on the forum can validate the info he’s giving you.
With all of the above taken into consideration, a box with all 4 or 5 of the listed characteristics has not been, as far as I’m aware, been sold publicly for a very long time.
The most recent sale for a Green Wing, single country code, confirmed shadowless art, but short crimp packs went for $13k at the end of January on PWCC. Of course, box prices have been exploding since then. There’s just not enough sales for good data on this.
@hypernova I do know of a box with WOTC logo wrap that was opened and had Shadowless cards.
Did anyone get verification that the January PWCC box actually had Shadowless artwork packs? Here’s the message I received when I inquired about it at the time:
Unfortunately we do not have an image to offer and from what we can see we cannot make a determination if the logo is on the booster packs. I can however confirm that these are short crimp packs and not long crimp packs. Please bid accordingly and have a great day!
For sure, logo-ed wrap green wing, single country code boxes can have shadowless cards in them, but my remark was whether there’s such a thing as a logo-ed wrap, green wing, single country code, shadowless art, with long-crimp packs. Of the five characteristics I listed that need to be present for a box to be confirmed shadowless, that’s the only characteristic that I don’t know is necessary.
Yes, everything checks out on this box so far (not inexperienced in the hobby), but I definitely appreciate the information and helping me avoid a disaster.
Much appreciated! I’ll post again with an update.
@schwifty87 , not sure if you’ve already purchased, but in terms of gauging price – I just listed a short crimp box, mainly to see what kind of offers I’d get. I very quickly got a credible $22k offer if I could guarantee Shadowless cards. Since it’s short not long crimp I can’t make that guarantee. But if you are negotiating for a long crimp people are clearly willing to pay $22k+
Woah.
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what do you think your short crimp market price is currently?
^ also is it one country code
I’ll let you know of offers. Maybe 75% of long crimp price around 17k. Yes one country.
I’m kinda confused. I haven’t been around for a while… is there a way to tell a box is short or long crimp? Does it involve peeking through the perforated part? Is it the size of the box/how the packs sit in it?
Yeah you need to peak inside the seal
@miraclegro, Yes, you may have to tilt at an odd angle or shuffle the box around a bit, but if you press down on the perforated top flap you can see the length of the crimp on the top packs.
Insane offers like the above bring back that darn devil who at times perches on my left shoulder. Last month he was there when a nice home for a case offer appeared.
I seriously hate it and get very uncomfortable.
Please tell more 
$22k, imo, is nowhere near the value of a long crimp box.
Many moons ago, I believe it was pokemonrevolution who parted out a shadowless box at $600/pack unweighed. That puts the part-out box value at $21,600, and that was quite some time ago.
There have been recent sales of long-crimp, weighed heavy packs going for $1200 at auction. If you’re going to part out this box, the optimal method imo is not to open and weigh, as a light shadowless pack is going to be much lower priced and much lower in demand. At that point I feel like you’re more selling the pack to pack collectors than potential gambling addicts. Surprisingly to me, there are recent sales of short crimp light packs going for $600. Given these prices we’d be at (assuming 12/24 split), $28,800, with a very long total time to sell given the light pack situation.
I feel reasonably confident that if pokemonrevolution were to part out his unweighed packs today he could probably get $1000/pack, and in my estimation a bit more. Moving that number up or down just increases or decreases the time it takes to sell. That’s not too crazy of an estimate given recent sales of these packs, and that’d put the part-out value at $36,000. Now, I’m not sure what evidence he put up to show that his opening was legit, no weighing involved, etc., but I’m sure his street cred was enough to convince gamblersbuyers that he wasn’t pulling any funny business. Without a reputable name attached to the opening, you’d need to put up a lot more evidence that there was no fuckery going on.
The value of this box, not parted out, is a big ?? for me. At potentially $36k+, any big money box collector is going to be spending his stacks of cash for the big notables, Base 1st/Legendary Collection/Skyridge/Neo Destiny 1st before looping back around and picking up the 5-characteristic variant that is the green wing, single country code, no logo wrap, shadowless pack art, long crimp pack base set booster box. Which means that anyone that actually wants to make money off this box is going to split it out, which will further drive down the overall quantity available, drive up the price for the intact box, make more accessible box options more appealing, etc. Unless the box collector has a special affinity for shadowless, I don’t see any box collector reasonably going after this variant until they’re at the end of their 100% completion run.
I had a thread on here not too long ago that I knew a guy who had a long crimp guarenteed shadowless box for 14k. Took a while but someone bit…36k no way.
@hypernova, I would not personally sell a long crimp for 22k given how undervalued I believe PSA 8-9 shadowless to be presently. I also think long crimp shadowless is scarcer and more desirable than something like Legendary Collection or Skyridge and down the road will not be on the same level.
I’m aware that I could sell short crimp packs for very easy money. Heck people even put crystal clear disclaimers that the packs are not shadowless cards and still 3x price of unlimited packs.
The concern I have with that is really just ethics… if I opened a short crimp box to sell packs, I’d obviously want to open a pack to check if unlimited/shadowless. And if unlimited there’s really no good way to go about selling. Even if I put in the listing title “Unlimited cards” and 99 cent auction, people will still drive the price way up because they know they can resell short crimp packs as “potentially shadowless”.
As for 14k, I will buy that today if someone wants to sell.