First Post - PSA 10 Charizard vs Nike Digital Collectibles

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Hello guys. Long time lurker.

I want my first post to start a LONG discussion comparing two different collectibles and I truly think this could become one of the longest threads on this site as there are so many layers to consider. This topic has been bugging me so much that I had to make an account to hear some perspectives.

I am comparing the normal 1999 Base Set Charizard in PSA 10 versus Nike’s NFT Collection containing digital 3d characters.

If you’ve never bought crypto or not open minded to crypto you may initially click away but I promise there is a reason I am making this thread.

I have been window shopping PSA 10 Charizards and have noticed a very different market cap compared to NFT collections that I see daily.

The craziest part is that I will only be looking at ONE NFT collection. There are 10 just like this with similar numbers.

1999 Base Set Charizard PSA 10 - Supply: 450 - Price $8000 - Sales in last week: 0-2
2021 Nike Clone X - Supply: 20,000 - Price $8300 - Sales in last week: 50

Charizard Market Cap: 450 x $8000 = $3,600,000
Nike NFT Market Cap: 20,000 x $8300 = $166,000,000

$3.6M vs $166M

And once again I won’t even bring another NFT like Doodles into the comparison which is worth $100,000,000!!

It’s probably closer to $3.6M vs $1B

Now I just know that most people are going to instantly call these NFT’s scams and yes most are just money grabs and questionable art and they take the money and run, but when you stick to the top 25 collections ran by major brands, and treat them like digital collectibles the story starts to change. They are very liquid and trade like collectibles.

I feel like I could end the post here as that info alone is enough to start conversation but I just wanted to list some considerations.

Is this a Nike vs Pokemon thing?

Is this a Nike customer vs Pokemon customer thing?

Is this an analog vs digital thing?

Why is the charizard so low?

Why are the nft’s so high?

Past vs future?

Boomer vs zoomer?

I just want to remind that I simply picked ONE nft collection (albeit a popular one). But there are multiple NIKES!

To put it shortly, THIS IS A WHOLE THING. Its not just Charizard vs Nike. Its a whole situation that I think can lead to hours of conversation. I will reserve some thoughts for now.

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Your very first post on this site and it’s talking about PSA 10 Charizards and NFTs… gg

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This is a seasoned group of collectors vs people making poor investment decisions kind of thing

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Welcome here! I think there are a few issues with this comparison on its face, without even getting into the NFT/scam argument.

First, I don’t think comparing one Pokemon card in a single grade to an entire NFT collection makes sense. A more accurate comparison might be an NFT collection to an entire Pokemon set like Base Set or Jungle or Fossil, not even the graded cards, but the entirety of the set’s market cap, which is much more than just the graded cards. Even so, we are talking about two completely different things. It’s like comparing the market cap of Tesla shares to the market cap of the wedding industry. Any comparisons between the two that you draw are not really going to be relevant.

In my opinion, the more important things to look at if you’re trying to compare the NFT market to the Pokemon market, which it certainly appears that you’re doing, are things like trajectory, trends, prices of the highest valued assets, ease of access to the market, probability of getting scammed, etc.

I think there’s a very interesting discussion to be had on NFTs (one that we’ve had a lot here on the forum) but I’m not sure if just throwing up some numbers is the best way to compare these two very unique assets.

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I am at the level in life where I am shopping for a PSA 10 Charizard.

I guess if someone would NEVER buy a psa 10 zard then they couldn’t see the point of this conversation.

I do believe a certain tier of collectors will be interested in this topic.

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I can come back with the the full set data but the point will be just driven home even harder.

Just think about it. If the PSA 10 zard is $3.6M, what could the rest of the set really be? another $5-$10M ? And all the raw cards? Another $10M?

But I guess we have to bring in 1st edition too … But then I can counter with . . not every NFT is worth 8300 , that is the LOWEST PRICE. there is a whole tier that is $15,000 . . . the market cap is actually probably $250M on nike at the floor/trait value.

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It sounds to me like you are investing, not collecting. I think you already made your mind up about which one you think is the better investment.

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Will girls be more impressed with a PSA 10 Charizard or an NFT from the Nike Digital collection?

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hahha asking the real questions.

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The question itself shows a bit of bias. It’s a question wrongly put, as fourthstart said, but I guess that’s just my opinion/take on it. Pokemon cards and digital collectibles are so far apart, it’s meaningless to directly compare numbers imo. We can compare philosophies, but the numbers if compared 1:1 are basically meaningless.

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I just don’t see how you can call a $8,000 Charizard, compared to an $8,000 NFT a meaningless comparison when shopping and planning over a 10 year period. To each their own.

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Yes, exactly, we need to bring in so many extra possibilities and variances that it’s irrelevant to directly compare NFT Collection A to Pokemon Set B. I could point out a Pokemon set that has a higher market cap but you’d just find another NFT collection and on and on and on. We can certainly compare Pokemon to NFTs, but market cap shouldn’t be the only, let alone the primary variable to compare upon.

As @JoshsOddCollection points out, it seems like you’re trying to make a point/present an opinion about NFTs rather than start a debate. It might just be a lot clearer if you stated your point so that we could discuss it.

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I think you will accomplish that, albeit not for the reasons you probably think…

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Just because they have the same price tag doesn’t mean they are related. Pokemon is like the largest IP ever, with deep roots in culture and personal emotional investment going back over 20 years. NFT’s don’t. They are new and still poorly understood in terms of their long-term cultural impact. Collectibles are high risk and HEAVILY dependent on demand moreso than supply. Like I said, we can talk about those kinds of differences, and how they relate to their respective prices, but they are completely different scales. That’s my point.

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It seems yall are so used to someone having agenda you are blinded or something lol. I compared the most popular card in pokemon to one of the top 10 nft collections. It is NOT an insane , out of this world comparison . It is the most popular card in our hobbby compared to a popular company’s digital collectible. They are the same price. I don’t own either one.

i wish to have a discussion on HOW the valuations are LIGHTYEARS apart. even bringing in the full set.

even bringing in every set you could think, it still won’t compare.

i suppose im wondering WHY

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https://tcgfish.com/ranking

Total Market cap in pokemon: 852M, PSA cards only

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ty for this data ill check it out!

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This thread is going to make me drink.

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