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Was watching The Pokemon Evo’s new PSA submission results video and was pretty shocked this Shining Charizard actually got a 9. Thoughts?
The card has an actual crease in the middle of the shining part of it and a pretty good amount of edge wear. The edge wear concerned me at first but now seeing a large crease in the middle of it? What the hell, PSA?
I graded a holo legendary card before. it had a little dent on the back of the card and a tiny edge wear mark. It got a 10 as well to my shock. The same other card I graded got a psa 9 grade and looked much better.
My theory is they grade so many cards that a very small fraction of a percentage of cards get misgraded. In this case and like mine it helps the card but ultimately doesn’t help the buyer. Its a false grade and would only be corrected if it were to be sent back. I doubt anyone would send this back due to the value of the card that it could be sold for.
was this the one they pulled in that huge pack opening at the beginning of last year?
back of the card could pass for a 9.
The grader probably ( Defiantly ) missed the holo dent
the grade guarantee on something with a big crease/dent like that would be very easy to claim
PSA is trying really hard to shit all over their reputation. At some point flukes become patterns and patterns become habits. Lazy grading from a professional grading company is disgusting and unacceptable. You hire more employees and you train them properly if you can’t keep up with the number of cards being submitted. Do I need to send PSA an application so cards like this don’t slip through the cracks? How can two people look at this card and miss all of those flaws? Does eye appeal really have that much of an impact on the grade and if so, shouldn’t the set of eyes that judges have to at least pass an eye exam? These consistent mistakes should concern anyone collecting, investing, selling, and enjoying graded cards. Just because a company is large and well established doesn’t give them the green light to completely drop the ball time and time again. By the way, I have hundreds of high end PSA graded cards so why would I make these points and devalue my collection unless it truly concerns me?
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If it has the plain label, I will buy the grade without seeing pictures.
If it has the silver label, I will ask for the sellers opinion (strong 9? Weak 9?).
If it has the new label, I need to see front and back.
If it has 28xxx cert, I need very precise pictures before I’m comfortable buying. I’ve honestly not seen this many anomalies before. I agree with you 100%. PSA is our standard and accidents can happen, but they are certainly happening at a higher frequency in Pokémon. Their standards aren’t changing from what I can see, I just see more shit grades pumped out. Could this be because of the increased volume of Pokémon being sent in in the first place? Sure. The percentage of errors could very well be the same as in the past relative to total Pokémon being sent. They can still work to fix things like this though. This is just lazy grading.
The label literally means nothing. I have poorly graded examples from every time period you mentioned and my sampling size grows every month. Unfortunately this is an old issue.
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The label thing was more regarding the concept of it getting worse over time. I acknowledge it happened then but it wasn’t nearly as rampant. Seriously, I get heavily skeptical over some of these 28xxx cards.
Actually, I just thought of something. This issue of shitty cards with high grades could be a byproduct of people sending in lower quality cards more frequently. Until recently, it made no sense to send in cards that wouldn’t get 9-10 except in certain rare cases. Now, it’s becoming more common to send in lower quality cards. PSA still has Pokémon as such a minority. They probably assume what has been true in some cases: people only send in high-grading candidates. I don’t know though.
I know nobody will do this but examples like that should be cracked and removed from the population.
You send it back for the PSA guarantee after you receive something like that. Mistakes happen, PSA would fix it with a regrade and it would fix the population. Win-win.
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Sending it back is a very long process. Especially if your from outside of the US like I am. Time and money doesn’t seem worth it depending on the value of the card.
It’s only a long process if it isn’t an obvious mistake. With a big dent like that the only long part of the process would be shipping
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Sending it back is the only right way to deal with a card like this.
Does anyone know if PSA at least covers return shipping in such cases? I guess you can use a US middleman, but Joseph has a point about the process being too costly if you have to pay shipping and then get charged $50+ to get your card back plus possible customs on top.
They cover everything assuming a grade change as long as you have proper documentation and receipts. I sent back a PSA 9 1st edition charizard last year that was reviewed to a PSA 7. They cut me a check within the week for the price difference (a lot smaller at the time than it is now) + shipping to them. Shipped the newly graded PSA 7 back to me free. If your review results in no change of grade though you would be on the hook for all the costs so I would only recommend it for very obvious examples such as the video in OP. Where you know it is 2 grades or more off and there is significant value difference.
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Awesome. Thanks for the info. So there’s really no reason to keep obvious misgrades or try to sell them at a discount rate. I strongly discourage doing that anyway… Chances are it’s going to end up in the hands of someone listing it at top dollar and not showing the flaws.
Shadowless Poliwrath 13/102 PSA 10 GEM MINT
@gottaketchumall Would you send back this card? I think it would be worth it… The seller might get more than the actual listed price plus a PSA 8-9 card back. Or is that too much of a close call and you think PSA would argue the scratching is not severe enough to bring the grade down? I know they’re a stubborn bunch.
I think I am a victim of this. I just received a PSA 9 Shining Kabutops, which i ordered before going on vacation, and there is no way it should have received a PSA 9. It has edge wear/ discoloration and dirt spots on the card. I think PSA is slipping up on grading some of these cards. The picture of the listing did show any of theses flaws and I guess assuming that it would be in mint condition since it was a PSA 9 card was not the brightest idea.
We are all victim of it. I did a similar mistake on a BGS card purchase. I let the subgrades blind me… They even dared give the edges a 10 grade and it has some awful whitening. The picture did show that wear too so I’m the one to blame here.
You could send it back to PSA, but as was just stated above, if it’s too much of a close call it’s rare that PSA will acknowledge their mistake and it’s probably not a very big price difference?
@poken00b88 it is hard to definitely say just from photos but that does seem to be a candidate for a regrade IMO. Assuming what looks like a holo scratch is actually a holo scratch and not just a case scratch I can quite confidently say I haven’t ever graded a card with such a holo scratch at even a 9. Which would likely put this in the 8/8.5 territory at best. If the back was gem/prisitne it would be a little more iffy but I have personally gotten 9’s on cards where I though the front was perfect and the back had similar whitening to this (2+ white spots).
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