Hey!
I just recieved a Shining Gyarados in the mail today, but when I put it against my PSA 9 one, its missing its really shiny holo bleed it has:
I guess my question is, is it possible to not have that really shiny holo bleed on the japanese shiny magikarp & gyarados? Anyone else ever see this?
Thanks!
Looks genuine, but its holo is a different variation. Just like there 3 different holo effect variations on the shining Mew CoroCoro
Oh ok! Thank you. It looks and feels real. I just dont have more than 2 to compare it too. All the ones on ebay have the full holo bleed, so it made me a little worried. Thanks!
Like these 3 for example 
Oh jeez I didnt know thatā¦ now I need to find 2 more corocoro mews and 1 more gyarados. I like you but my wallet sure doesnt right now!
No really-- Thanks 
Iāve never seen these variations before either! Are there also three variations of the Shining Magikarp (set card, not fan club)?
I think that this card just has less holo on it then usual but no red flags come up on first glance. With regards to the shining mew cards afaik that pic with the 3 styles is the only evidence of any shining mews having alternate foiling.
I think @woolsluk is indeed right. Iāve seen that picture of the Shining Mews a few times before, but never saw the two holo variations at the sides anywhere else before. Only the one in the middle is widely available. And I think even @lof102 and @skinst who collect Mews havenāt seen these Shining Mew variations anywhere else besides in this picture.
We also have different holo variations for the Base Set Machamps, as well as loads of blister holo variations. So perhaps these two Shining Mew variations were a special kind of release? Or perhaps some kind of error? Or maybe theyāre fake and custom made holo effects, who knows? All and all Iāve only seen this single picture as evidence the other holofoil variations exist.
Then again, Iāve only seen pictures of certain Pikachus once or twice in the 3+ years Iām collecting Pikachus, even though I look for them multiple times a week. But an online friend and fellow Pikachu collector of mine has some of these Pikachus in his collection. So not seeing certain cards elsewhere, doesnāt mean they donāt exist at all.
Greetz,
Quuador
There is at least one shining mew with the left holo pattern on eBay at the moment
Ala the Mews, Iāve discussed it in the past, but Iām of the opinion that those holo cuts are either a trick of light, or simply an error print similar to other holo bleeds that are out there. I wouldnāt go so far as to call them variations as thereās too many variables to consider. That, and photos are so unreliable when it comes to the holo print on shining Mew that Iām VERY careful on declaring an error or holo bleed or not without significant evidence. That one photo is all we know of, therefore I am skeptical as both a collector AND as a Mew collector.
Furthermore, Kpod, if youāre meaning the listing I think youāre meaning, then I doubt it as well, even with the damage. There are hints of the glitter foil being on the card.
Iāve been able to replicate the holo tricks for a while on my own copy of shining Mew, so yeah. I just feel more evidence is needed.
Yup! Definitely real. Iāve seen a couple with those few dots. Not as often as the ones with multiple holo dots. Looks great!
Anyone care to link the new listing?
hello - I am researching the same topic as OP so I figured I would create an account here and bump this thread.
I just purchased the JPN Shining Gyarados, and my first instinct on examining it in person was that it was fake. The entire front is more glossy, and upon further inspection it seemed to be like a sticker that was āpeel-ableā.
However the back of the card looks/feels 100% normal, and what I can see underneath the āstickerā front is just white. meaning someone didnāt just put a sticker over the front of a common card.
The holo pattern looks exactly as it should with colors popping, seems like it would be a pretty impressive fake if it is one. Iām really torn on this one. My instinct is that itās fake because it seems like a sticker, but Iām trying to figure out if the card is actually real and they made this card in a different way to make the whole card glossy and different, and with time and wear itās starting to deteriorate as if itās a sticker? Appreciate anyoneās help - specifically people who are familiar with this exact card.
@shininggary - I uploaded a video of my version:
When it comes to the Japanese version, thereās only one type of holofoil. Youāll find some variance every now and again, even texture like errors. Some will be heavy on the holo while some are very light.
Yours looks questionable to me but Iād recommend shining a light on it from an angle and seeing if the holofoil showcases differently.
@azulryu - thank you for your reply. I did another video shining the phone flashlight on the holofoil, it looks pretty similar to yours, with the colors carrying over into the blue background of the card. I also included in the video how that bottom right area feels āwrinkle-yā, like the sticker is coming off. included a photo that shows that as well
@shininggary, ah itās definitely seen better days, still a great card. Iāve seen humidity issues on some full art Japanese holos that looked similar to that but it looks real to me as a general verdict.
thank you, really appreciate your help. Think I will send it to CGC for grading (obviously not expecting more than maybe a ~4ish?) but just for actual confirmation its real. But wanted to pick the internetās brain first so I wouldnāt be A) wasting money on grading for them to tell me a its fake card and/or B) extend the purchase length so long that Iād have no shot at getting my money back from the seller
From your videos, it doesnāt appear your Japanese Shining Gary has sparkles all throughout the front similar to the CoroCoro Mew. That in itself is a big red flag, plus Iāve never seen an entire side lift/peel off like youāre showing in your video.
The front should have sparkles like this:
@kpod, it does, the light is very faint though. I had to close up to see the full holo.
Thanks for your reply!
I added another video to the link here imgur.com/a/e9oRJnK that shows in more detail the holo coming through outside of the main holo area (character box? not sure what the technical term for that is)
It is very faint and only seems to be noticeable at the top of the card near the normal holo box, not really seeing that holo extend out along the bottom of the card like the 100% legit graded versions do. So itās possible the maybe that area is all damaged and that lost the holoā¦or just that itās fake.
As I mentioned the backside of the card looks and feels 100% legit. I was trying to gently clean the smudge area on the back left (so the same problem area as the front right) and there was clearly once scotch tape on the back. I saw the little pointed pattern of the scotch tape cutter and even removed small remnants of tape. So that leads to the question - did the tape being on the card help contribute to the damage and āpulledā off some of the legit cardā¦or was the card all taped up because its fake and needed the tape to keep it together in the first place? We need Detective Pikachu!
