Price discussion of corrected Blaine's Charizard **UPDATE**

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There are not really many comps for this card. It’s Pop 8
I was talking to one of the owners of this card who says its a top 3 card in their 500k collection, he says it sold for 18k but i cant find any sale history for this claim

There is one for sale on ebay for $30k, but ppl can list cards for anything really. Since its so rare this will be the only card i can look at value wise.

At the very least it should be significantly more than the first edition, since its both more rare and “correct”
I know ppl like error cards but when almost the entire print was an error the corrected version is like the error lol

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I wouldn’t pay much attention to the pop report, as PSA has only recently began identifying the corrected versions. There will be copies circulating with the original label.

Personally, I would pay no premium at all. It’s just a difference in a single energy symbol. WoTC errors are cool, but this is one of the most boring.

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there was a cgc 10 that sold for like 1200 on pwcc last night but it also said corrected even tho it actually wasnt :joy:

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But thats not an error… its a correction.
if you think about it a 1st edition is just a little circle stamp, but that symbol is worth thousands more than unlimited…
its the same exact card with a tiny stamp, but that stamp makes it worth MULTIPLES over an unlimited print

the corrected fire symbol is just an equally small circle… but its much more rare than the 1st edition and therefore hold a premium over 1st ed by default. Ive seen so many boxes of gym challenge opened and never witnessed Blaine’s corrected. I even pulled 2 unlimited myself over the years… both were error

it was rumored to be corrected in only the very final print run of unlimited which was supposedly a very small and short run. The overwhelming majority of unlimited, and 100% of 1st ed, are all error fighting symbol

I very much dislike the argument you used and I have to call it out; respectfully.

I’ve heard many say similar things in different in ways over the years… most recently it was with pokemon 151 and the masterball reverse holos.
many have said “but its the same card, just MB instead of PB” but a masterball Gengar is worth ~$140 and the standard is almost worthless

Rarity is the primary factor in card collecting. It dictates price potential for all cards. Desirability is the first factor but only rarity can give a card a premium price

1st ed base zard is worth 6 figures because of its rarity. if it was pop 50k +, the card value would be lucky to reach $100

With Blaine’s corrected, your talking about a wotc iconic Charizard card. One of the favorite classic sets of all time, and the rarest version of the top chase card

its worth thousands, potentially tens of thousands

Many refer to this as a grail card and place it alongside:

reverse zard from LC
1st edition shining zard
Gold Star Charizard
Skyridge Charizard

I just want to give perspective to this card and where it sits in the history of pokemon

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I don’t have much to add concerning the value and rarity, but it’s worth mentioning that the difference isn’t just the energy symbol; the artwork is slightly different too, with Charizard’s flamethrower being a different shape:

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I feel like this is a bit hyperbolic. It’s a cool, kind of niche card. I have never seen it held up alongside the other cards you listed :melting_face:

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thats interesting

looks much more detailed. Like they turned both HD and HDR on lol

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I disagree

Ive seen some of the biggest collectors foam at the mouth to own this card

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In my reading @Dyl is just expressing his personal preference about the card (what he would pay) rather than an overall assessment of the market valuation (what other people might pay).

A minor point, but rarity isn’t the main factor in prices. Loosely defined, popularity is what leads to high prices. There are 12500 PSA 10 English Moonbreons but it still sells for more than most PSA 10 BW era EX full arts which frequently have less than 25 PSA 10s. Pikachu Illustrator isn’t even the “rarest” card by number printed, but it’s the most expensive because of popularity. Rarity plays a big role, but it’s not the main driver of prices.

The corrected Blaine’s Zard is a very rare and cool card, and definitely is well above the price of an uncorrected copy. But the error is small and recognition is limited to those with in-depth knowledge of the hobby and the card. So that impacts its popularity and is probably why it isn’t priced higher considering the low numbers that are out there.

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It’s priced very highly though
In fact thats the reason I made this thread

The card is so rare i cant find this card available at all (outside this 1 single listing)

I heard of a comp that was a long time ago… and someone paid $18,000
I was curious if there are any other comps ppl know of or any other data relating to this card?
Im an interested buyer
Im a collector of zard cards and this would be AMAZING to add to the collection

I just am having trouble figuring out whats fair

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It’s listed highly. Don’t confuse listing prices with market value.

I don’t know any sales data for PSA 10 copies unfortunately, but maybe others can help.

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@POKEBEAST

Consider where you get your information from and how it may influence your feelings/thoughts on certain cards. Those who hype niche Charizard cards on Instagram, WhatNot, etc. may not represent the general collector consensus. Similarly, e4 may not reflect what people buy/want on IG, WhatNot, etc.

Getting a pulse on the card from a wide range of collectors is crucial, as influencer advertising and hype can cause FOMO and misconstrue the true value of low pop cards. If you want evidence of how advertising and FOMO can balloon prices of low pop cards, look no further than modern BGS Black Labels. Once the first few Black Labels sell for sky high prices (e.g., PWCC auctions of Moonbreon, Poncho Pikachus), follow-up auctions and BINs tend to fall off to a reasonable price.

At the end of the day, a low pop card will sell for what someone is willing to pay for it. If you want to spend $10,000, $20,000, $30,000+ on the card, nobody is going to stop you. I’m not going to comment much on your hyperbolic statements of its desirability and rarity. We don’t know its desirability or rarity because they haven’t sold regularly in auction and PSA has only recently begun to add the correct labels.

If I were to put myself in the shoes of a Charizard collector who loves low pop cards and errors, I would price it at no more than 2x the PSA 10 going price. This would be between $7,000-$10,000. Beyond $10,000 would be insane in my opinion. Could it reach beyond $10,000 in auction? Perhaps. Will it sustainably sit there? Who knows. I would bet not.

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The card is not particularly rare. It is a mass-produced item. The PSA 10 grade (or rather label, in this case) is rare.

You can tell because you can get a slightly lower condition copy for a few hundred bucks (sold $400):

It can be yours right now for $500 → 2000 Pokemon Gym Challenge Corrected Symbol #2 Blaine's Charizard Holo PSA 8 | eBay

And actually the first edition copy sells for more (sold $575):

Of course, it’s a well-known variant. It’s relatively hard to find and should deserve a premium. But apparently the market doesn’t even value it higher than 1st edition. We do this analysis on lower grade copies to strip out the PSA 10 premium and get to the meat of whether people are really interested in this card. In contrast, for highly desirable trophy-tier cards, or 1st ed Charizard or even something like a No Damage Ninetales, we still see very high prices for lower grades signifying the fundamentals are present for those cards.

And yes, when we switch over from PSA 8s to PSA 10s of course there will be an additional premium. The grading difficulty is pretty high for the unlimited copy. So it’s reasonable to expect people to pay more.

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Note: The pop is not accurate for the corrected variant because the designation is new.

So ultimately when buying a PSA 10 copy for $30k, you are basically putting a $29-$29.5k premium on the label. Historically, such a large grade premium turns out to be extremely optimistic, especially for set cards. If the PSA 10 grade is a must-have then yeah, you have to find one of 8 people willing to sell and that might take $30k. And if $30k is a small amount to you, I would say just go for it. But for the vast majority of people I would say this is an extraordinarily speculative decision and the value isn’t really there.

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Another thought that came to me is that you can probably use a 1st edition copy as for price guidance here. You can buy a copy right now for just under $4200:

Really, the only thing keeping the price between the corrected and 1st ed variant from being more similar is that there are just not a lot of the corrected labels in circulation now. Whether you want to bet that will stay the same for the rest of time is going to be a guess. But generally for every card, the pop only goes up.

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i feel like this is something one should reslab to get the correct label and pop :thinking:

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If a card has not already been hyped or shilled by 2024, there’s no reason to start now.

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A corrected unlimited Blaine’s Charizard is still an unlimited Blaine’s Charizard. A $30k premium for unlimited is approaching cards that are near-impossible to grade pop 1-2 that aren’t even errors (e.g. Neo Rev Ampharos & Blissey)

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Haha yeah, that one is my personal copy and has additional ink so it pops that bit harder. They’re not all like that though.

As @pfm has pointed out, this one doesn’t really carry a premium outside of PSA 10…My copy only cost around £150 and that was as a recently graded copy with a correctly identified label. A bargain for the nostalgia hit alone!

If anything, I think we should appreciate that there’s a rare variant WoTC Charizard, with OG Sugimori art to boot, that doesn’t cost the Earth in 2024 and is still accessible to more moderate budget collectors (in most grades).

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I would take valuations from YouTuber’s own cards with a pinch of salt, they have nothing to lose and everything to gain by doing huge valuations on their own stuff. The more shocking / exciting the claims are, the more engagement they will get on the video which pushes views and channel growth. It also serves as a free advert for the cards shown.

I agree it’s hard to price low pop cards, I would keep an eye on every PSA 10 that pops up for sale and check if it’s mislabel from an earlier cert. Then send it in to PSA for reholdering.

I think it’s a cool card, but personally think $30k is crazy high, you could get something really special for that budget

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Well i dont think its worth 30k either
But i wouldnt be suprised if it falls in the $12k-$18k region in all honestly

Also, for you guys pointing out how the value is only in the psa 10… thats how all card are with very few exceptions such as trophy cards or illustrator

Lugia 1st ed Neo Gen. Psa 10 - $50k / Psa 8 ~$1k

Cracked ice zard psa 9 ~$90 psa 10 ~$1250.

Blastoise base 1st gen Psa 10 - $25k / Psa 8 ~less than $2k

I dont need to make a full blown list because there are endless examples

Also, cards like 1st edition dark charizard and 1st edition blaines charizard go for ~$4k only because pop isnt low enough
These are 400 - 600 population in a ten
If they were 80-150 pop these cards would be worth $12k - $20k and be on par with cards like shiny and gold star zard

Desirability is the driver but only rarity can give a card ultra premium

It can be the best card in the world and communitys all time favorite but if they hand them out with happy meals in the millions the card has no value