QotD: How does an auction having a buyer premium effect your bidding?

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QotD: How does an auction having a buyer premium effect your bidding?

Helpful Considerations: Underbid to stay on budget? Only bidding on items with bigger margins? No effect, you buy what you want regardless?

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I absolutely bid less than expected to stay under budget.

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It discourages me from bidding as much as I would on a platform that does not have a buyer premium, the same way that people are less likely to pay a higher price if they must also pay for shipping.

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I don’t let a quick mathematical calculation affect my bidding.

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I place my bids and go to sleep. When I wake up in the morning I see if I won or lost. This helps to keep me on budget, not to get caught up in the moment so the premium doesn’t really affect me.

Also staying up past 3am every week-
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I bid on fanatics auction first time 2 weeks ago and realized that there is a buyers premium. I had bid my maximum not considering the premium and woke up to not winning anything so it did not matter. However, in the future, I will probably be aware and mindful so I will have to bid accordingly to my budget.

Also, if anyone is aware of the tax implications on the Buyers premium? Do I pay the VAT on the actual winning bid or the whole amount including the buyers premium?

Cheers!

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I think it would be on the full price paid incl. Buyer’s Premium MrB :sob:
Unless somehow, someone were to get…‘creative’…with the declared value of their parcel of course! Just hypothetically speaking.

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I just bid so that my bid+ the buyer’s premium ends up at what my bid would have been if there was no BP. It’s a bit of an annoying extra step, but I’m not too bothered by it!

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I consider the buyers premium as part of my budget for bidding. The thing I really dislike is extended bidding. Especially on sites where extended bidding resets for 30 minutes everytime additional bids and made. Just make and end time and stick with it!

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Buyer premium. :nauseated_face: :loudspeaker: :volcano:

No buyer premium. :sun_with_face: :dove: :lotus:

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I’m even considering the 2% credit card fees. Pwcc, do not trick ME

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Yeah I’m not a big fan of buyers premium, especially when it’s a percentage. 20% on fanatics collect is quite a lot, sure it might be ok for low-mid value cards but it adds up quickly. We’re talking a 5k bid is actually 6k (not including shipping, cc fees, and international transaction fees if you’re not in the US).

I’d still bid on something but the premium absolutely becomes part of the price. I.e that 5k bid is actually a 6k bid

The thing I don’t like is the extended bidding, it’s a money making measure for the auction house disguised as an equality measure for the buyers and a bonus to the sellers

Every time someone bids just a little bit more the auction is going to extend. Eventually every time it extends, it extends just a little bit less. This is a really great combo of FOMO and the sunk cost fallacy. “Well I was already ok with paying 1200, what’s an extra 50, if I don’t buy it now I might not get another chance”. Then 25 anxiety inducing minutes later someone else thinks the same thing and drives the price up even further. The cycle continues

Sure yeah, this increases the income for the seller but the auction house is the real winner here. Every 5 dollars for the seller is a dollar for the auction house

For reference, I saw a psa 10 1st edition shining magikarp card I was interested in just keep getting extended over and over again. I think it legitimately went for multiple hours. When I bid shortly before the first extension it was just above market value. MV in this case being 3.5k - at least as far as I can find. Anyway, this card went for 5.5k (with the premium I think). That person spent an extra 2k on anxiety and an extra few hours of their life too

I much prefer max-bids rather than bidding extension. You put in the max you’re comfortable with, if someone else’s max is higher you will immediately be outbid by a certain amount. If someone bids lower than your max bid, you will immediately become the top bidder. You won’t truly know what the current max bid is so I think it encourages people to really think about how much they actually want to bid. They can also just snail crawl their max bids up until they are the top bidder if they really want.

Max-bidding might not be the best, it doesn’t fully prevent sniping and some people might put in ridiculously high max-bids they probably shouldn’t have - but at least you won’t have to spend hours of your precious life bidding way more than you ever intended to on something not worth the price that you might not even win because there’s always someone more desperate

I despise the bidding extension.

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I lower my bid to account for the premium. I don’t understand how you couldn’t but there seems to be a portion of buyers & sellers who aren’t aware of the BP and/or don’t understand how it works. If a card is worth 1k I’m willing to pay 1k. Not 1k +20%.

Honestly, I tend to avoid auctions with buyer premiums because even though I’m accounting for it in my bid, it always feels like there’s at least one person bidding against you who isn’t. Maybe I’m just paranoid though :rofl:

Overall they just feel like an accounting trick to obfuscate a portion of the cost but I guess it works

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I always look at what the total price would be, and bid my max based on that. :person_shrugging: Buyer premium is just one factor if that.

  1. I’d bid less on an auction with buyer premium vs one without buyer premium;
  2. I’d bid less on an auction with 50 USD shipping vs free shipping;
  3. I’d bid less if the seller is from outside of the EU vs inside, since I’d have to pay import fees on arrival OR ship it to my US middleman instead;
  4. I’d bid less on eBay.com if the seller is from the US and I ship to my US middleman, due to taxes that will be added;
  5. I’d bid less on Mercari/YJ, since Buyee middleman fees and double shipping will be added;
  6. etc. etc.

Greetz,
Quuador

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I also just account for it in my bid in order to stay on budget. I do think that it induces some needless friction in the purchase process, even if small. Why isn’t the main number in my screen whatever much I will pay? Maybe people from countries where the VAT is added at the moment of purchase see it as a more normal practice, but it’s still something that I don’t think should be a consideration.

One interesting thing to think about would be the net effect on the price not including buyer premium in the bid could bring to the auction: a) I would think on the aggregate people are more midful of their bids if they need to go through the extra process of considering the total amount after buyers premium, but b) People who are distracted or not used to it might ignore the buyers premium and end up paying more than they expected. All else equal would the average sale price on fanatics be higher or lower without buyers premium?

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Fanatics Collect immediately tells you the amount that you’re bidding. Just look at the value below and you’ll never be confused. :person_shrugging:

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Heads up that’s only available on the mobile view, for desktop you have to enter your bid and the BP will display on the bid confirmation screen. Which is too late in the user flow imo

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For real. Not sure why this is even a question. It’s the same price either way lol

When I choose the value in desktop, it populates the true value after buyer’s premium immediately.

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Sorry to ask about this, but what is a buyers premium, and why exactly does it impact the price your paying so much? Is it like extra fees?

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