came across this and if this is true it has got to be one of the worst thing that a buyer can do!!? 
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As horrible as it is, I believe there are people out there that would definitely do this to someone.
I was actually thinking about this earlier and I wondered what would happen if I picked up a PSA 10 that I didnât believe really was a 10? I know to buy the card and not the grade, but Iâm sure itâs possible to end up something different that what you thought itâd be. I feel another thread related to this question recently came up but I canât find it. As long as the PSA case hasnât been tampered with or broken, doesnât PSA guarantee that a graded card meets a minimum standard to the grade it received? Couldnât the buyer in this auction have reached out to PSA for reassurance as well even though a return through eBay was much easier? What do you do if you pay out for a higher card, canât return it for some reason, and want to have it reevaluated through PSA?
This is why I help off selling on ebay for so long, and I am anxious about my sales because of scumbags like this who try exploit the system. Surely there are ways to stop this shit happening! I take pictures of my items before and after packing, signed for over 20ÂŁ, check the addresses and country match up for payments. Even them I am just waiting for someone to try claim n received or some other sh**. Really riles me up so excuse the rant!
*spits on floor in disgust*
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Wow I really hope this isnât true! I feel like if someone did this they canât be a real pokemon fan/collector. Even if they believed a card was not worth the grade why would you destroy a still beautiful card?
I am not 100% sure if this would be true though, did anyone find the original ebay sold listing before it was broken?
The deal was most likely done via social media. There is no record of the sale publicly.
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Thatâs what I originally thought but the seller mentions that they couldnât prove what the buyer did to ebay. Seems a bit strange.
Iâve dealt with this seller several times, they seem very trustworthy to me.
Buyers are becoming increasingly more scummy with everything they do. Itâs a direct result of eBayâs tolerance of buyer misconduct and their policy that no matter what goes on in a sale, itâs always the sellerâs fault.
Hey guys,
I am the seller of the PSA 10 Zard Gold Star that the idiot snapped on me. I figured I would post and let ppl know what really happened as there seems to be some misconceptions. First of all this deal was indeed done through eBay, not though instagram or any other social media outlet. I am not sure why it wouldnât show up on eBay sold items, although I have noticed items donât show up anymore many time after 60 days. The sale happened months ago but I just happened to relist the damaged card here a few days ago. I had this card up for sale for $800 as I did know it was a âsoftâ PSA 10, which I did mention in the description and showed very good pictures of it. And it def wasnât like I was asking full retail price or whatever, as well as noting why the it was priced the way it was in the description. So the item was delivered and the buyer messages me and says he does not agree with a grade and wants to return the card. I tried the whole âsend it to PSAâ thing and got no where and eBay could care less about that as they do not know ANYTHING about TCGâs, grading, anything, I found that out the hard way. Then the buyer must have gotten nervous that they were not going to be able to return it so I am assuming at that point they cracked the case, which did damage the card severely, and then opened a case saying it showed up damaged. I was on the phone with eBay for HOURS many times, stating my case, trying to get them to understand, and understand grading and trading cards etc but got absolutely no where. Even when I showed eBay how the first message they were talking about not agreeing with the grade itself and then the second message saying it showed up damaged, it was as obvious as the Russian Collusion HOAX, seriously. I guess, it also didnât help 3/5 eBay reps I talked to barely could understand English. After days of this I was about to loose it and I literally just gave up. This was by far the worst experience I have ever had on eBay, by far. This also showed me eBay has gone WAY to far when it comes to covering buyers no matter what. Honestly, I didnât even realize a seller canât even leave negative feedback for a buyer until this transaction took place and I went to leave neg feedback. It seems as if a buyer can get away with pretty much anything on eBay nowadays.
I think thatâs about it, just wanted to let the people that were interested in this topic know what really happened from the person it happened too. I appreciate the support, it shows a lot. That dude is a black sheep in the Pokemon Community. And for the record, if anyone wants to know the buyers username I am perfectly fine letting people know so you can protect yourselves! âŚBut didnât know if it would be appropriate to post on here, idc either way! Heâs a straight up scammer!
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Yea ebay unfortunately offers sellers very little protection. Its one of the reasons why Ebay is subject to class action lawsuits from individuals who have been victims of their policies. Ebay is definitely a risky place to do any business as you have to try and hope everyone has a good nature, which definitely not everyone does
thanks for the post @pokelyfe! I was the one that messaged you asking for the story! Saw this topic twice and couldnt resist trying to hear more details
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Youâre right about everything especially the âRussian Collusion HOAXâ lol
Iâm really surprised that eBay didnât give more weight to the first email the buyer sent where he didnât mention a damaged case. That is pretty conclusive right there.
Whatâs the buyers id?
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@pokelyfe
Share all necessary info to @fourthstartcg who updates seller/buyer blacklist of E4.
Sorry for the situation you are going through, the description of this listing has been somewhat hot subject here lately.
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Thanks for coming on to share your experience, I feel for you, thatâs a horrible situation! It would be good to have the buyer id.
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Also as awful as it is to say, if a buyer starts complaining about not agreeing with a grade (which is not your fault at all @pokelyfe ), I think this experience and other stories about ebay show that you should offer the buyer an opportunity to return the item in order to avoid scummy buyers from retaliating in someway like they did here
Also an alternative option: You can try and scare a scummy buyer by mentioning contacting a USPS postal inspector of their local branch to come out to their home to inspect said itemâs damage. If a potential buyer said the item somehow arrived that way, ask them to show you a picture of the damaged packaging and mention that you will be contacting USPS to see if a postal inspector can observe the package. Also link/attach them a picture of Mail Fraud and respective statute in their state and mention (respectfully of course, as ebay buyers have all the power and sellers next to none unfortunately and while you are tyring to be firm, they can react certain ways as seen here). Sometimes mentioning the law can be enough to scare a potential scammer away
This disgusted me.
Iâve noticed PSAâs website isnât 100% accurate just yet. Got this in an auction and I donât see it on there.
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Was the card insured as well? If the buyer said it arrived damaged, maybe getting USPS involved with a claim could have helped identify what was happening. Not sure if it would be easy, but wouldnât it put more stress on the buyer to prove his claim?
This is just beyond sad that someone would do this. Reading this made me remember the discussion sometime back about wishing a Pokemon only marketplace existed. eBay is now requiring that sellers offer free returns for a seller to achieve top rated plus status, which Iâm worried may encourage more returns, but I suppose would help prevent this kind of action if the buyer is a complete creep like in this case apparently.
One strategy Iâve used is ask directly for the manager, someone at a higher level than your standard customer rep, as reps usually have an attitude problem and go from a script that is conservative and lacking any human touch. I had one rep apologize to me once after a 3-way conversation took place and the manager instantly sided with me after I explained the situation. The rep at least had the guts to admit her crappy service after the settlement, so I let that go. but it was frustrating nonetheless because these people seem to lack logic and constantly making calls during my work hour is not something Iâd like to avoid. Rant over. And donât even get me started on paypal, which might be one of the worst companies Iâve ever had to deal with. Serious issues with existing policy and pretty much is only concerned with their money.