TAG Grading Plans to Introduce Automated Grading Pods

From the sound if it, you’ll be able to walk up with your cards, insert them into this machine, and get your card slabbed right there. I think this sounds really cool.

It eliminates the need to ship your cards, which addresses shipping costs, shipping time, and risk of shipment. This seems doubly helpful for Europe and really anywhere outside of the US, and it sounds like the plan is for these pods to be global.

It also effectively eliminates turnaround time, which historically has been a value proposition for CGC and smaller grading companies.

I have questions too, such as cost, when these will be avaialble, procedure if the machine somehow damages a card during encapsulation, and how often they’ll be maintained/restocked with slabs.

Here’s the full post for referenece. What does everyone think?

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Infinite regrade glitch.

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I like the idea of self-encapsulating w/out grading. Will be interesting to see the result of this and responses from other companies.

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Very cool. No shipping, insurance, etc. I’d use it in a heartbeat.

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I like this idea the biggest problem I see with it is the market getting flooded with these and this becoming the next version of cgc graded mystery charizard which we all know is just this card

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wow

That would be goated. Can you even imagine?

I have a submission with PSA that they received in early January, and i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt even open it until March… and THEN the 45 business day clock begins

I really wanted this sub for collectacon in April but its looking less and less likely I will get it back by then. what a joke

Tag’s new system will break the market if you can get instant grading…

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This is actually a cool innovation I could see myself using. It would be nice to see it cut down on the waste of cracked slabs if it gave the number/analysis first and then offered to slab it. “This card is a 7, would you like to encapsulate?” And then people could decline and just get the raw card back.

People would probably even use it to check for any issues before sending cards to PSA for the resale value.

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For me, encapsulation isnt solely about value, its about the security, the authenticity verification, and the condition guarantee. I trust psa slabs because of their long history of grading and backing up what they say with positives. Im not sure tag slabs being available at random shops or stores would be a positive or if it would cheapen the brand image. I wonder if these machines will be able to grade accurately or if they will be extremely limited in function and this is more a novelty.

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They should send one of these bubblegum machines to Oslo. :recycle: :keycap_ten:

Sounds slightly terrifying though. :clamp: :five:

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Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Any automated system can end up failing and I don’t know how much I trust their engineers to make something that is robust and holds up over time.

Cards get damaged by grading companies during encapsulation quite often with humans. I’m trying to understand the process in an automated setting.

How will the card be handled by the machine? How does the handoff occur?

What happens when someone gets robbed when they walk away with their freshly graded cards?

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TAG is one of the few basement companies that is actually innovating. Seems like they are actively looking to improve the grading process which I have to commend them for. However, it’s easy to say you’ll do something and much harder to put it into practice. I’ll reserve judgement until they actually develop this, but it’s an interesting idea.

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it already is automated
if you grade with tag everything is done by machines

they are trying to bring their technologies to kiosks. They would also maintenance these machines regularly i dont know why you think they would set it and forget it. your takes are really the worst

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No, it isnt. Human beings handle the cards.

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This team is really trying for that exit sale to PSA or CGC

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Do you think PSA or CGC would see this idea through if they do buy out TAG? Or do you think the intention would be to quash the pods?

If it works I think either company would love to integrate it. If it works

I would expect it depends on how reliable they are. Assuming pricing will be higher for the instant gratification tax, theres a lot of problems that come from automation without observation. Look at almost every automatic machine, theyve all been hacked or found a way to be deceived. Imagine someone stealing and reverse engineering a machine? Then being able to offer those services themselves? Or will they be in trusted cardshop partners only that are contract employees for TAG? Does that make them biased?

Lots of questions, interested in seeing the new ideas, wont trust them until it can be a proven concept.

I agree. My initial reaction is skepticism. I knew someone who worked on bank ATM that accepts checks and cash and used imaging to auto detect the items. This is similar but like a magnitude more difficult.

The machine has to intake the card, maneuver it into place, take a high resolution front and back image, be able to hold a feed of hundreds or thousands of slab components, place the card on the back of the slab, sonically seal the top, etch the grade in and do this all with 0% tolerance for any damage whatsoever to the card and near 0% tolerance for dust or debris.

How will damage be handled? Will TAG pay out the value of the card? Will the machine have to be shut down for inspection every single time there is a report of a damaged item?

Theoretically, it could be done. But to be useful, the machine would have to be cheap enough to be mass-produced. What’s a realistic cost per machine here? A few hundred thousand to a million? Plus salary and travel costs of specialized technicians needed for maintenance and repair. Plus the cost of shipping boxes and boxes of blank plastic to each unit.

So while I’m happy to be proven wrong, it just feels like one of those overpromised and underdelivered tech solutions (that for some reason always use the word “pod”) that is probably more of a marketing tool than anything. But again, I’m happy to be proven wrong because of course a machine like this would be useful.

Beyond the engineering challenges I think there are also more human-based ones that would arise. People will stick random junk into the machine, or even valid items like metal cards. People will try to trick the machine with fake items, and if you manage to find a blindspot in the authenticity algorithm it’s an infinite money glitch and will cause significant reputational damage. You will have conspiracies that pod-graded cards are worth less or that a certain machine gives higher grades or that certain shop owners have manipulated machines to give higher grades (even if that’s unlikely or impossible, people will believe it). Basically you are giving up full control of the grading process by allowing mostly unsupervised unlimited public access.

I also think the barrier to access is a positive thing for grading companies. For example, PSA slabs were at peak value when PSA effectively stopped grading in 2020. If you just have unlimited bottom-tier items being graded (because people won’t want to put their expensive cards into the machine) then people will associate your brand with low-value slabs. Also, in a world where these pods truly are everywhere then you’ve effectively neutered the secondary market value because why would I buy a card already graded when there is no barrier to grading and I can run the instant gratification slot machine myself?

All that said, if they could pull it off it will be interesting to watch. But needless to say, I’m extremely skeptical about many elements of this. Maybe I’ll change my mind when there’s a working prototype that is publicly accessible.

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I don’t see how you can remove the human perspective on grading in it’s entirety, and imo this would just get every junk slab sent it’s way.

It’s fine if they want volume…but yeah, there is nuance to grading that robots can’t peovide.

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cool. Keep me up to date for when a pod gets hacked and people get away with injecting 1000s of high end TAG slabs into the market. Also, is Tag’s official position still that their cases are not meant to protect cards and it’s a safety feature that they shatter like glass when they’re dropped because this prevents regrading?

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