The PSA 10 1999-2000 Charizard Ebay Auction

I’ve never seen one before. How rare is it? What do you think it will sell for?

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LudkinsCollectables has had one for a few years he’s currently got his listed at £3000. I think I heard there is only 3 or 4 that are known at this grade (don’t know if anyone can verify this). It’s very hard to judge considering this is the first time I’ve ever seen one auctioned but I would estimate around the £2000 mark.

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I know of four copies, one being mine :wink:
Surely there may be more but we need PSA to make a separate classification in the registry. There’s no reason not to. Seems like a win win for them and the hobby.

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I still don’t understand why they won’t do this, isn’t there enough evidence? Or is it more of a administration thing?! But they did it for shadowless hmmm

So you mean to tell me there’s more types of Base Set Charizard aside from Unlimited,shadowless, 1st ed, Base 2,jumbo and the other 7 reprints? And to think me and a friend were just talking about how there’s too many Base Set Charizards. :confounded:

Everyday I learn something new here.

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Here it is, whats it gonna go for?

www.ebay.com/itm/PSA-10-GEM-MINT-4th-Print-UK-1999-2000-CHARIZARD-Base-Set-Pokemon-Card-4-102-S37-/201996098143?hash=item2f07e7da5f:g:Y2YAAOSwVJhZRBnr

@lolzicost if you want to get really detailed there’s:

1st ed thin, 1st ed thick, shadowless, unlimited, 1999-2000, some people do gray stamps so you can add another two variants, and if you look really closely you can see there’s actually two very slight color changes in the shadowless/1st edition design of the cards which adds another 5. Making 12 in base set alone.

Personally, I just stick to 5 as the other 7 are based on inking properties.

Side note: I’m not sure on cardstock variances, but wouldn’t be surprised if there were a few differences.

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It’s because all the unlimited cards have been graded for so long at this point. It’s be pointed out too late into the hobby after the release of the cards and at this stage, with thousands of unlimited cards being graded, it’s difficult for PSA to create the category as there’d be such a large number of them graded already. It would be better to have the category for the variant but yeah, that would be why. They do have enough evidence though, you are correct.

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They label packs correctly. They will label the cards correctly too one day, we need consistency xD

Has PSA said that or is that just a theory? Why would they be against collecting money for recasing just like they did for Shadowless when that got its label in '08?

You have no idea how hard it was to get the shadowless designated. Had I not had a connection it wouldn’t have happened.

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I’m not sure of them specifically saying so but the idea has been tossed around quite a lot and it makes sense considering people always find a way to complain. You can make the argument of money but you can also make an argument of ease and so on. It may happen but it may not - both outcomes are very possible.

I don’t think they have said why they won’t grade the set with a different header. Saying that too many have been graded being the reason is silly because nobody can know how many have been graded up to this point. Psa works in mysterious ways look at the fpo cards they graded them for a time then stopped and now you can only get them with a green label.

stay away unless you want a war.

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I would imagine Shadowless would be hard considering it is basically a made up term much like the moniker of 4th Print. Maybe the reason it hasn’t happened yet is because people have only tried getting them to put 1999-2000 or 4th Print. The correct label should really be 1999 Pokemon UK just like they label the Dutch, Spanish, etc right? After all, isn’t the set just the UK printing of Base Unlimited?

How hard can it really be for them? What do they have to do besides update the website, create a digital database, and print different letters on labels? Looking at it from an outsider’s point of view it seems they would basically copy and paste the set info, no? Maybe it is more complicated?

Gary, how did you go about convincing them? What do they require to recognize it as a separate set? Was it purely because of your connections? Have you tried with the UK set?

I think it comes up a lot because it seems like such a no brainer yet it hasn’t happened yet.
I shall make it my mission. And while I’m at it, might as well get some of these errors labeled too. Pinsir 1st Ed. “Scratch” error is one that comes to mind first. I made a new thread to continue the discussion on PSA labels.

@pokemonsyndicate I think I need another one :rage:

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Primarily 1999-2000 Base was made in the UK, but a small amount was made in the USA and Australia

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I’m pretty happy with my estimate on this one, ended at £1943. :blush: or in dollars 2550

Good guessing Fireftw87. I’m glad people are starting to value these rare variants so much.

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@fireftw87 just wanted to note that we had a false price point. Winning bidder didn’t end up paying nor responding to any messages.

That’s because it was the 13 year old instagram kid, he said he was scared to pay.